1/ I think @Noahpinion is basically arguing that because America is made up of whites (baseline crime rate) & blacks (5x white crime rate), adding illegal aliens (1.5x white crime rate) lowers the average RATE of crime by diluting the black population, even as it increases crime
If @Noahpinion is serious about his "immigration is good because it lowers the crime rate", then I expect that he will agree with me that we should shape immigration to bring in people from lower-crime areas like Japan and Germany and reduce immigration from e.g. Africa
...because right now what I hear you saying is "I don't have #skininthegame re European immigration policy, therefore I won't speak to it...but I'm happy to say that poor / middle class US neighborhoods should get more immigrants even as I'm protected by my wealthy SF bubble"
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If this were true, we'd expect to see 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants embracing American attitudes re low taxes and small government.
In fact, though, as @AlexNowrasteh has demonstrated at great length in his @CatoInstitute whitepaper, they do not
Here is some of the data that @AlexNowrasteh compiled showing that immigrants do NOT adopt American values, but prefer socialist tax-and-spend programs
I am absolutely sure that this framing is accurate, and that the California Farm Bureau, made up of California farmers, took actions that made things worse for California farmers, and I am sure that a non-farmer who lives in London knows all of the relevant details.
Hayek's "knowledge problem" is Catholic social-con "subsidiarity" is me thinking that Brits don't know what's right for Americans, that Londoners don't know what's right for farmers, and that Cory Doctorow is wrong about almost everything.
Problem @robkroese is having is that he is a full fledged adult operating at Kegan stage 4 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ke…, where rules matter and we respect processes, while the SJWs he deals with are children at stage 2 who want to win no matter what & don't believe in reciprocity.
An adult would LIKE to win all the time, but understands pragmatically that it's better to have objective invariant rules that sometimes favor him, sometimes don't, but in general create a calm productive society.
"I dented his car door and I have to pay? <sigh> Yeah, I did"
I basically had the exact same problem with dating in my 20s (ironically, I understood the interviewing API, and didn't realize that the dating API is pretty similar)
what she says: "have you read any books recently?"
what a sperg hears: "have you read any books recently?"
or, if he's a high grade sperg: "WHAT books have you read recently"
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terrible answer: "yes"
very bad answer: "yes, I read 'Interface' by William Gibson"
fairly bad answer: as above "...which is this cool near future SF novel where there are two alternate realities and there's some sort of quantuum tunnel..."
There's a classic trope in SF stories (maybe other stories too?) where X thing is introduced for a good reason, then Y for a good reason, then Z
...then the hero/villain snaps X + Y + Z together to make something awesome
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One example I recall is a short story where the galactic federation allows wars, but they have to be low-tech 15th century wars. So mercenaries are screened for high-tech on the way to each battle.
One faction brought in fighting sticks and tent shelter halves. Both legal!
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and ...oops ! ... turns out that they snap together to build hang gliders.
@wraithburn got @AlexNowrasteh to admit that first generation immigrants do in facto vote more Dem than natives. (just like their children and grandchildren do)
Question for @CatoInstitute - why are you in favor of more immigration when your own ppl say they vote Dem?
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LOL, @AlexNowrasteh
now has the assistance of some white knight who is connecting traits like!e "uses logic to dissect propaganda" & "wants a retraction of false data" to white supremacy.
TFW when you've already read a Cato paper, the hard data in the paper argues that immigrants are more likely to be redistritionists, you say so, and the Cato employee cites it to "refute" you
"Fig 1 shows that all immigrants...are and less likely to identify as Republican."
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No, Alex, I'm not citing a Pew poll.
I have been reading Cato papers for decades. It was actually Cato papers that helped PUSH me into a limited-immigration stance.
page 1:
"Naturalized immigrants support Democrats more than Republicans"
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"Immigrants ...are...more liberal .... while natives are more conservative (Figure 5)."