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I don’t want to give more publicity to this bad faith argument, and Jen doesn’t need me to defend her, but I do have some thoughts. This kind of logic is very commonly employed in conservative circles, and I think a little pushback is completely justified. 😆

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We jump off with TWO classic “arguments”:
1) conceding that perhaps a small problem exists somewhere but it’s not widespread.
2) my argument is Real Logic™️ so despite neither of us having data to backup our assertions and experiences, I’m more right than you.

Here’s where Mike makes his bad faith and hyper defensiveness abundantly clear: he frames Jen’s theological shift as rejecting all traditionalists as “backwater bucolic yokels.”

I haven’t listened to this interview yet but this framing is so out of character for JH is comical

Mike
1) condemns JH for having no data (at the end of the article) but then makes this wildly unfounded assumption about the intellectualism of evangelicals. Like wut?

2) entirely ignores #exvangelicals who DEFINITELY read and weigh arguments for both and ended up as liberals

Ok I have to admit I’m bigly confused here.

Mike makes appeals multiple times to the history of marriage within Christianity (2000 years) while ignoring the entirety of the Old Testament (4000ish years) where marriage consistent MANY arrangements (none consensual).

Like, this is probably the biggest flaw in his argument to me. The Bible, which he certainly believes is divinely inspired, describes many types of financial and sexual unions which our English translations call marriage. He literally ignores the parts that don’t support him 🙄

One thing I find equally humorous and arrogant is how conservative Christians flatly reject the idea that they could learn ANYTHING from “the world.”

Like, the amount of hubris is astounding and funny.

I don’t know a lot. But I do know that claiming 2,000 years of unanimity on any topic, using a few anecdotes to back it up, is unbelievable.

Also the Catholic Church kept pretty good records so we know that the church has changed its mind a time or two on Some V Big Things™️

Sure, marriage may not have been one of those very big things. I don’t know. But like, the church used to preach — verbatim from the Holy Scriptures!!! — that anyone who charged usury would burn in Hell.

So like... 2,000 years of unanimity? I can do anecdotes too, Mike!

This one is a real kicker. We DO have data that LGBTQ kids are kicked out of their homes for religious reasons. Mike makes MANY claims without presenting a shred of evidence. He calls JH uncharitable while intentionally framing her as malicious.

THIS is why we #EmptyThePews

Ok, this concludes tonight’s dragging.

If you liked this thread, please check out #EmptyThePews #YouDontKnowEvangelicals #RaptureAnxiety and #NotYourMissionField, all conversations happening in our lovely, motley crew of #exvangelicals

Night y’all!