Thread by @SakuraNoSeirei

So, I mentioned yesterday that it felt like the so-called "feminists" on everybody's least favourite board were, in the terms of the analogy, working themselves up to another tantrum spiral.

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Turns out I was right. And with things like this I hate being right, but, well, at least it's even more exposure about what really goes on at the so-called "Feminism Chat" board on @MumsnetTowers #mumsnet

CW: #Transphobia

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So, first of all, what am I talking about when I say 'tantrum spiral'.

@MumsnetTowers so-called "feminists" have a distinct posting pattern of late.

i) Things start to slump on the board, and they lose a few more posters.
ii) To try and make the board look more...

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important than it is they will deliberately create a post they know not only breaches the distinctly lax and hazy Talk Guidelines, but is also filled with #transphobic dog-whistles that is an attempt to make them look reasonable to the lookers on.

iii) They get called...

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on their bullshit and, eventually, and very begrudgingly, @MumsnetTowers #mumsnet does something about it as even they realise this is dragging their rep something hard.

iv) The so-called "feminists" then jump up and down howling about censorship, and being silenced...

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and, of course, lashings of "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

v) Tantrum then dies down, because nobody's listening. Board moves back towards sullen silence, and everything goes back to Step (i)

Welcome to Step (ii) from the so-called "feminists" @MumsnetTowers #mumsnet

So let's break this post down:

CW: #Transphobia

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"I'm having trouble understanding how you can look at us and see hate? . . . We can't make you something you're not,"

Really, because you are the ones calling for an end to all medical treatment for trans ppl. The only treatment you want to offer are talking treatments...

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That have been expressly described as 'Conversion Therapy' under the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding, the BACP, the RCPsych, and others.

So don't think to piss on our chips and call it vinegar. We know what you're about with your claims because you want to make us

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something we're exactly not.

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Then there's this, and golly-gee there's a lot packed into there to breakdown.

Not only are we looking at some blatent and deliberate misgendering here, look at the language being used...

CW: #transphobia, #mumsnet, @MumsnetTowers

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"...would not have been appointed to labor as a feminine man. They would not have accepted him as he is"

Where to even start with that sentence. Trans women aren't "feminine men", I doubt that the Labour Party as a whole has a problem with actual GNC men being members...

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and, regardless of how these GNC men wish to express themselves, I'm also fairly certain that the Labour Party would have accepted them as they are The Liberal Democrats certainly do. They also understand the difference between trans women and GNC identifying men...

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not the least of which is that the former are women, and the latter men.

"They hate feminine men so much they demand that you hate yourselves and deny your reality"

Well, trans women aren't feminine men, and the only people who hate either and demand that we deny our...

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reality are hateful, transphobic arseholes including you and the rest of TERFdom.

"Your self loathing is the only part of you that they value."

The only reason that trans ppl experience self-loathing is because of the hate they experience from bigots like you and other...

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TERFs. As repeated studies have shown, trans ppl experience vastly improved mental health when they aren't exposed to hate from the people around them and society. TERFs quite literally are the reason for a lot of the mental health problems that trans ppl experience...

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and also have their share of the responsibility for the shockingly high levels of suicide attempts and self-harm amongst the trans community.

So don't try and play on "self-loathing" you loathsome piece of #transphobic-filled hate, because every decent person knows...

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exactly which quarter the loathing and hate comes from.

"We accept Transwomen as feminine men . . . Transmen as masculine women"

Really? Because that's exactly the same rhetoric used by 14/88 scum. Their views on BaME. . .

CW: #transphobia, #mumsnet, @MumsnetTowers

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, Jewish, and LGBT+ ppl are very well known. They only accept them as being "subhuman".

So take your hatred that you so desperately want to disguise as "acceptance" and ram it repeatedly into as many of your orifices as you can manage...

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Trans men AREN'T masculine women.

Trans men ARE men.

Trans women AREN'T feminine women.

Trans women ARE women.

Non-binary people AREN'T a fad or a phase. Non-binary people ARE as valid in their gender identity as any other person on the planet.

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And here we have what is probably one of the most disgusting dog-whistles I've ever seen turn up on Mumsnet.

"...the right to be around people like you and share experiences with them, organize with them, etc."

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If you've ever campaigned against Apartheid, you know those words, and that language. You've seen it used by ppl who support Apartheid.

If you've ever campaigned against Nazies the same is true.

Likewise for those in my US audience who campaigned against Jim Crow laws...

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or are campaigning now against the vast and horrific injustices experienced by PoC and their communities at the hands of not only individuals, but state institutions.

Any Aboriginal, Native, or First Nations person knows that language.

It's the language of partition, . .

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of hate. It's the language that says, 'We'll only tolerate you existence as long as you only stay with your own kind, and don't try to join the rest of us in society.'

It's the language that says, 'You stay with your own kind, don't mingle with us, after all it'll make...

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it so much easier to round you up, to inter you, to make you useful members of society without you having to be a part of that society, to end you.'

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Maybe this is another thread that you should be looking at @sainsburys what with your desire to be seen hand-in-hand with Mumsnet.

The responses in the @MumsnetTowers #mumsnet so-called "Feminism Chat" thread aren't any better.

Although congrats to this poster for posting exactly why they are hate-filled, obsessed, #transphobic, TERF bigot whilst being completely unaware that's what they've just done.

You've had answers. Repeatedly. There's one right here. It's this thread.

And guess what. It's out in a very public platform, where anyone can see it with a minimum of looking, and not being posted in an echo-chamber of #tranphobia filled hate.

unroll please

Thank you, as always❣️