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1) Thread - Corbynites FFS wake up!
I did resolve (again) to stop attacking Corbyn & to focus on the government in fighting #Brexit
But the last few days have given me a reality check again
Yesterday's #PeoplesVoteMarch was a triumph, over 100k people all over the news
Then this
2) so really I have 2 questions for Corbyn supporters
Firstly, yesterday's march was undoubtedly a progressive march against something a majority of Labour party supporters agree would be damaging for the majority

A #PeoplesVote may not be everyone's ideal, but ...
3) ...at least the march raises the profile of the anti #Brexit movement and shows people it's not settled.

So how did the Labour movement, which is supposed to be about exactly this kind of action, find it's Leadership officially against this and standing with the government?
4) I mean seriously, clear away all the fluff & noise, but I cannot imagine for example a Miliband opposition not standing in solidarity with yesterday's marchers.

It is *extraordinary* that not only is the Labour Leadership silent, but Labour commentators are actively smearing
5) because that's what's happened. In the week Parliament let us down so badly Labour Leadership is officially *with* the government and *against* yesterday's marchers...how the holy fuck did this happen?
6) This takes me on to the 2nd question for Corbynites.
This week Airbus, BMW & Siemens all went public with the same "Jobs at risk from #Brexit" message the Japanese car makers gave last year.
It's the same week parliament let us down so badly on "meaningful vote"
7) the natural reaction for the Labour movement should be to join in the protest and try to protect those jobs. It's exactly what Corbyn would advocate for any other issue.
But what do you do? You attack the protesters and the marchers, most of whom were probably Labour voters!
8) This is again extraordinary - and raises the question for Corbynites - do you care about the working classes, the vulnerable and all the rest? Do you really?
Because Brexit was your first real challenge, and so far it doesn't look good to be honest
9) Workers rights are under threat, we're being taken out of European Human Rights Charter, jobs are at risk, and a minority of 3 million people is having their rights taken away, rights they took for granted
All things you should, as progressives, be fighting for
10) But you are not, because Corbyn didn't tell you to, and now you're smearing those who *are* fighting.
What do you really stand for? What do you really care about? Because this isn't abstract like "relative poverty" or "inequality" - this is happening, now, while you watch
11) It is truly mindboggling - never in all my days did I expect to see a Labour Leadership standing on the same side with a Tory disaster capitalist government, whilst its followers smear and attack a peaceful street protest fighting for these things
12) in 6 months Corbyn has tweeted 8 times (primarily) about Brexit. He has never mentioned:
-ECHR
-Airbus
-BMW
-Vote Leave cheating
-Any of Johnson's multiple outbursts
-Farage admitting Brexit will likely make us poorer
This is *astonishing* for an opposition Leader
13) Which comes onto the final point.
Because even if Corbyn wasn't pro brexit, fighting it would take skill, subtlety, confidence and intelligence. It would take statesmanship & state craft.
It's eminently doable
But not by him
He hasn't got it. Corbyn cannot pull this off
14) It's why he's never on TV, it's why he generally performs so badly at PMQs (and he does, he's had some recent hits but generally he's poor)
Corbyn could never walk the line needed to fight Brexit, even if he wanted to
We don't need amateur hour, we need a real politician
15) Ultimately, once all the cries of "Blairite!", "Iraq!", "Austerity Enablers!", "Elites!" fade away, Corbyn supporters have to ask themselves that basic question. What do we really believe in? A better society, or what Corbyn tells us to believe in?
and more importantly
16) How did Labour find itself not supporting (and actively smearing) a protest against an incompetent Tory Government which on a path of destroying jobs, taking away rights, stoking division and intolerance and damaging the economy?
How is Labour on the wrong side?
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Oct 7, 2018
1) It's still Hard #Brexit - thread
Couple of things to point out as we head to "Canada ++++"

A) it suits the EU as a fallback but
B) as far as the UK is concerned, its still damaging, draining, hardest of hard Brexits & nothing to be celebrated
Here's what we've forgotten
2) firstly, yes the EU27 would prefer we remain & if not they'd prefer a close arrangement - but at this point they'd settle for the island of Ireland being protected & an orderly exit

They're not going to save us from ourselves

They can minimise the damage of UK leaving SM
3) so let's not kid ourselves that the EU27 will make sure we get a good deal or one that has minimal damage to the UK, they will look after each other, they have to.

All the ++ means is cooperation in certain areas, not untold riches or a "special deal"
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Sep 29, 2018
1) Thread - Labour, dodgy right Brexit activities & missed opportunities
Today I was a bystander in a discussion between @OwenJones84 & @JolyonMaugham around tweeting on Vote Leave's illegal spending, which I think is part of a bigger missed opportunity on #Brexit for Labour
2) Lets just be honest - the Tory party & #Brexit has always been dodgy. Charlatans who misled people given high government office and all that. But the last few months have had some significant revelations of dubious practices, only one of which was Vote Leave illegal spending
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1) Some excellent ideas being developed here by @RichardElwes and @sjwrenlewis

Will just add a few thoughts on the #Brexit trap for either party

There are no good #Brexits economically but neither are there politically, for either party
@RichardElwes @sjwrenlewis 2) (sorry, 2 "either"s there....)
As with Richard, this is not about my beliefs but public perception
Soft Brexit = Betrayal/Vassal state portrayal from Leavers, instant political cost

Hard Brexit = economic cost, which obviously leads to political cost in short order
@RichardElwes @sjwrenlewis 3) the public are fickle, and even if for example lucrative Free Trade Deals were out there the leaver vote is as likely to be more protectionist in nature.
Many leavers may see Free trade as "everyone else buying our stuff, with no downside on our industry in return"
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Sep 28, 2018
1) Corbyn, control & democracy
The attempt to crush the #PeoplesVote initiative from Corbyn's team should ring alarm bells for anyone who values democracy
& transparency, inside Labour or outside. He is and will always be an authoritarian

#Lab18
2) you can argue back and forth on whether a #PeoplesVote is strategically good, bad or horrendous for Labour, or that Corbyn's offer to work with the Tories on #Brexit is "political theatre". The fact is the new Labour position is the exact opposite of what the members wanted
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That has somehow completely transformed into a Labour offer to compromise the 6 tests for a Tory led Brexit
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Sep 28, 2018
1) Was determined to back off Labour & Corbyn this week & support them going forward on #Brexit

But now this, following Corbyn's speech.

Corbyn's team want Brexit. They don't want to listen to the members on a #PeoplesVote & now it's been raised, they are switching position
2) let's just look at the chronology
I) Starmer (but no one else in Leadership) talks occasionally over last 2 years about "exact same benefits" 6 tests
ii) privately, @BarryGardiner describes them as nonsense
@BarryGardiner 3) iii) in run up to conference, probably because they know there is a huge influx of CLP motions asking for an early vote, Corbyn & others start talking about the 6 tests really for the first time.
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Sep 26, 2018
1) Great article on why #Brexit is insoluble
We can rail about respecting the vote, the EU being stubborn,May being incompetent etc all day long. The fact is it cannot be negotiated successfully, and anyone who believes otherwise is mistaken
#Lab18

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09…
2) reasons are very simple, and always have been. The deal that was promised & any feasible deal are so far apart as to be unrecognisable

Either Brexit will be so painful that it will destroy the party who implements or so meaningless that it would be embarrassing to implement
3) half the country do not want Brexit, the other half (apart from the hardcore) voted for the pain free, cake & eat it easy brexit that was promised.

There is *no* feasible Brexit that would gain a majority in the UK & non possible within the EU & UKs red lines
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