Thread by @lissijean

Last week @JoshuaKerievsky, @mattbarcomb, and I had some fun poking at the Product Owner role in #Agile: . 1/n

As someone who spends every day training POs in #prodmgmt, this is close to my heart. There are so many POs who do not do real PM. 2/n

In fact, I get asked questions about the difference daily. So I wrote a blog post on it: medium.com/@melissaperri/… 3/n

Anyway, we posted the video and Scrum trainers came out of the woodwork on LinkedIn and bashed us for not "understanding #Agile". 4/n

When we tried arguing our point, we were just dismissed as "uninformed" because the holy bible aka Scrum Guide "doesn't say that". 5/n

I get this reaction a lot when I criticize Scrum. I am always told "I just don't get it" or "people are just doing it wrong." 6/n

What pisses me off about this response is the lack of accountability for people doing it wrong in the industry. It's so widespread. 7/n

If thousands of people around the world are just "doing Scrum wrong" who is training them? Who is writing that curriculum? 8/n

How is everyone doing it wrong in exactly the same ways? I believe when it is this widespread, it's can't only be on the messaging. 9/n

I see companies now hiring POs who have only gone through 2 day classes as Product Managers, with no prior experience. 10/n

It completely diminishes the job of a Product Manager. Product Ownership without the PM domain is useless. There's no brain. 11/n

Which is why I, and others, keep saying Scrum is not enough. But I do not hear the Scrum community saying that enough. 12/n

Instead they say "you just don't get it" or "it's a loose framework, you're putting too much into it." Which is it? Where does it stop? 13/n

When I describe what POs do, CSTs tell me "It's not in the Scrum Guide! They're doing it wrong!" PO in the Scrum guide is 2 paragraphs. 14/n

If they just read that and ran with it, sure that's a problem. But most of these people are going to class - who is training them? 15/n

When does this end? When does blaming the person receiving the training for "doing it wrong" end? When do we take accountability? 16/n

When can we have a civil convo about what is not working in practice with Scrum and actually use continuous improvement to fix it? 17/end

One more. I do not HATE Scrum. I have seen it work well, but it needed 1. experienced team 2. no dogma 18/end end