Thread by @IBJIYONGI

FYI. There's been kind of a debate among politicos about whether the call to #AbolishICE is fair since actually it seems many of the people supporting it may in fact want to abolish ICE *AND* significant limit CBP's powers. This is why know a little movement history matters 1/n

https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/1013467189050073088

a shorthand guide:
CBP = works at the border
ICE = works everywhere outside of the border zone
so
ICE = the people who do the kidnapping at people's houses
CBP = the people who do the kidnapping at the border
but
DHS = home of ICE & CBP

Before there were mega family separation kidnappings at the border, there were the family separations when:
-- people went to work
-- people went to get medical care
-- people went to school
-- people went to move their car to *follow* parking regulations
THIS WAS ICE

So before there was a big movement against CBP's activities at the border, there was a movement against ICE's activities everywhere else in America. That movement is now being joined by people who are upset about CBP's activities.

What's the connection? DHS. "Homeland Security"

I think people complaining about "plebes" misunderstanding ICE for CBP and vice versa should be really careful about making fun of them before those people actually start calling to #AbolishDHS. And here's why they might want to do that:

DHS was created on the not really true premise that if something like DHS had existed, 9/11 would have happened. This might be true, if the CIA and FBI, who were the ones who fell down on the job here, were both put under DHS. But they escaped being part of DHS.

This doesn't help the FBI and CIA communicate, I am guessing. DHS just then became this place that houses things like ICE, which is just a copy of CBP, but with expanded constitution-violating powers, and also its own police force that is not the FBI but kind of overlaps with it.

It's really not clear that DHS makes Americans safer from a 9/11 than the prior structure did, since it just added a lot more bureaucracy and bureaucracy not speaking to other bureaucracy seems to be part of why 9/11 wasn't stopped in time

The folks mocking people who don't know the difference are right about one thing: you should take the time to learn about ICE and CBP. But they're wrong to not tell you that the beast you really need to understand is the Department of Homeland Security: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St…

You want to understand for example how in a country with 300 mill people, a brand new agency went from well, not existing, to being the third largest cabinet department, after Defense (which, isn't homeland security defense?!) and Veterans (which is still kind of about defense)

And what's so interesting is that you NEVER EVER hear "I want small government!!!" republicans going, "Well DHS, VA, and DoD seem to have a lot of crossover . . . "

But I'm hard pressed to believe also that FBI which is under DoJ, CIA, NSA which is DoD, and DHS are a better structure than what existed before 9/11 since now there are several different cabinet branches & agencies which need to coordinate with each other.

The whole shebang, administratively, doesn't evidently make a lot of sense.

Also I don't understand why DHS needs a police force. The FBI, US Marshals, and Secret Service seem like they're packing just fine . . . how many police forces can one country have?

so anyway, for people who are upset about calls to #AbolishICE: it could be worse! They could escalate and demand that we #AbolishDHS. Or #AbolishBorders.

Anyway, the "keep it moderate" folks? I think you doth protest a little too much.

But I think if you're going to really correct the protestors, you should do it right. Tell them that what they really want is to #AbolishDHS ;-)

So clearly here I meant 9/11 *wouldn't* have happened

https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1013565283590533120

Right? Like, people are talking about an agency in a cabinet department and Trump is talking about mutilating the cabinet, but today I've seen more people talking about why #AbolishICE is a bad idea than I've seen discussing his proposed mergers this week

https://twitter.com/DoubleChinner/status/1013570486725423104