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Sep 28, 2018 13 tweets 8 min read
1) Was determined to back off Labour & Corbyn this week & support them going forward on #Brexit

But now this, following Corbyn's speech.

Corbyn's team want Brexit. They don't want to listen to the members on a #PeoplesVote & now it's been raised, they are switching position
2) let's just look at the chronology
I) Starmer (but no one else in Leadership) talks occasionally over last 2 years about "exact same benefits" 6 tests
ii) privately, @BarryGardiner describes them as nonsense
@BarryGardiner 3) iii) in run up to conference, probably because they know there is a huge influx of CLP motions asking for an early vote, Corbyn & others start talking about the 6 tests really for the first time.
@BarryGardiner 4) Iv) the motions come in. In the compositing process an overwhelming number of motions for a clear #peoplesvote turn into a final motion calling for a *pro brexit* GE with a possible PV (that may or may not include remain) based on complex conditions
@BarryGardiner 5) v) nevertheless, Starmer puts a PV with Remain back on the table. It gets clear support from the party via a standing ovation & a Vote.

This is the kicker.
By end of that day Labour are committed to voting down any deal that misses 6 tests & to a #PeoplesVote with Remain.
@BarryGardiner 6) vi) commentators make the point that Labour will now move to a pro #PeoplesVote position. It's where the party is by a huge majority.

Corbyn will be unable to resist is the thinking.

Then Corbyn's team found a way
@BarryGardiner 7) the following say Corbyn announces in his speech that he'd be willing to do a deal with the government on Brexit.
Gardiner starts saying the same thing.
#PeoplesVote is barely mentioned. But more importantly the 6 tests and Labour position are abandoned
@BarryGardiner 7 vii) the #PeoplesVote has been spiked. Labour go from "we will vote down any deal based on the 6 tests" to "we'll compromise with Government on a deal (what 6 Tests?)"
@BarryGardiner 8) so what does this tell us? The Labour Leadership is taking a #Brexit position which is directly opposed to its previous one and the members clearly stated position.

"We want a #PeoplesVote with an option to remain" has become "we will compromise with the Tories on #Brexit"
@BarryGardiner 9) whether for ideology or political expediency the Labour Leadership wants to support a jobs damaging #Brexit and will work with the Tories to get it, rather than listen to the fears of the members.
@BarryGardiner 10) and for those Corbyn supporters who say "it's strategic, he's backing Tories into a corner" I would say "fine, then he's game playing and point scoring whilst we head to a possible no deal in 6 months."
@BarryGardiner 11) Corbyn supporters complain vigorously about #FBPE attacking Corbyn but seriously, what do you expect?

Can anyone seriously say that "we'll compromise with Tories and bend our red lines on #Brexit" represents a fair position of the party as expressed by 150 CLPs?
@BarryGardiner 12) if you trace every single statement or action from Corbyn & his team they have virtually all been in support of #Brexit

If you trace all of the silences on various brexit scandals it's the same.

Most Labour supporters oppose Brexit, why do you still support him?
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Oct 7, 2018
1) It's still Hard #Brexit - thread
Couple of things to point out as we head to "Canada ++++"

A) it suits the EU as a fallback but
B) as far as the UK is concerned, its still damaging, draining, hardest of hard Brexits & nothing to be celebrated
Here's what we've forgotten
2) firstly, yes the EU27 would prefer we remain & if not they'd prefer a close arrangement - but at this point they'd settle for the island of Ireland being protected & an orderly exit

They're not going to save us from ourselves

They can minimise the damage of UK leaving SM
3) so let's not kid ourselves that the EU27 will make sure we get a good deal or one that has minimal damage to the UK, they will look after each other, they have to.

All the ++ means is cooperation in certain areas, not untold riches or a "special deal"
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Sep 29, 2018
1) Thread - Labour, dodgy right Brexit activities & missed opportunities
Today I was a bystander in a discussion between @OwenJones84 & @JolyonMaugham around tweeting on Vote Leave's illegal spending, which I think is part of a bigger missed opportunity on #Brexit for Labour
2) Lets just be honest - the Tory party & #Brexit has always been dodgy. Charlatans who misled people given high government office and all that. But the last few months have had some significant revelations of dubious practices, only one of which was Vote Leave illegal spending
3) I wont't even get a complete list here but some highlights are:
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1) Some excellent ideas being developed here by @RichardElwes and @sjwrenlewis

Will just add a few thoughts on the #Brexit trap for either party

There are no good #Brexits economically but neither are there politically, for either party
@RichardElwes @sjwrenlewis 2) (sorry, 2 "either"s there....)
As with Richard, this is not about my beliefs but public perception
Soft Brexit = Betrayal/Vassal state portrayal from Leavers, instant political cost

Hard Brexit = economic cost, which obviously leads to political cost in short order
@RichardElwes @sjwrenlewis 3) the public are fickle, and even if for example lucrative Free Trade Deals were out there the leaver vote is as likely to be more protectionist in nature.
Many leavers may see Free trade as "everyone else buying our stuff, with no downside on our industry in return"
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Sep 28, 2018
1) Corbyn, control & democracy
The attempt to crush the #PeoplesVote initiative from Corbyn's team should ring alarm bells for anyone who values democracy
& transparency, inside Labour or outside. He is and will always be an authoritarian

#Lab18
2) you can argue back and forth on whether a #PeoplesVote is strategically good, bad or horrendous for Labour, or that Corbyn's offer to work with the Tories on #Brexit is "political theatre". The fact is the new Labour position is the exact opposite of what the members wanted
3) the reality is, 150 local parties submitted motions and the overwhelming majority supported a people's vote with an option to remain.

That has somehow completely transformed into a Labour offer to compromise the 6 tests for a Tory led Brexit
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Sep 26, 2018
1) Great article on why #Brexit is insoluble
We can rail about respecting the vote, the EU being stubborn,May being incompetent etc all day long. The fact is it cannot be negotiated successfully, and anyone who believes otherwise is mistaken
#Lab18

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09…
2) reasons are very simple, and always have been. The deal that was promised & any feasible deal are so far apart as to be unrecognisable

Either Brexit will be so painful that it will destroy the party who implements or so meaningless that it would be embarrassing to implement
3) half the country do not want Brexit, the other half (apart from the hardcore) voted for the pain free, cake & eat it easy brexit that was promised.

There is *no* feasible Brexit that would gain a majority in the UK & non possible within the EU & UKs red lines
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Sep 25, 2018
1) Numerous Lexit commentators saying "Remain option will kill Labour"

*This* Brexit is a Tory program, just as austerity was. And austerity got a big vote in 2010 & an even bigger one in 2015.

If it's the wrong policy it should be opposed, even if it's "popular"
#Lab18
2) this Labour movement has criticised the last for being Tory-lite on austerity. Fair enough.
But how then can Labour be Tory-lite on #Brexit, which will also hit their voters as austerity did?
Because it won one dodgy vote?
#Lab18
3) "we can't fight austerity/repeal of gay marriage/the return of hanging/windrush deportations because they're popular in some key seats"?

The idea is ludicrous, so why is fighting for what you believe on #Brexit different?
#lab18
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